shocks suck

[drjeeva]

Hi guys, my blue coops shocks hev given up the ghost. What is the most suitable replacement ( I need the ride comfort of the Fiat's original shocks ) for the coop? From what I read on the forum you guys feel the Bilstein B6 is the closest. Any idea abt the price for a full set?
Thanks

[invisibleghost]

blistein, i believe is less than 3k. somewhere around there

tot u wan to sell?

[gtfan]

Yeah bilstein B6 i paid the last time was around rm2.4k

Another cheaper alternative, monroe reflex. Abt rm500 each for the front. More like oem. Not sure how it feels as compare to B6 but desin who used to be on B6 now changed to Monroe reflex, claims pretty normal. Similar feeling to B6.

Monroe reflex is selling in glory auto and ms sprints.

[desin]

eem... talking about B6, 2years+ back, i got mine ~2.4k-2.6k for FULL set. (i really can't recall, feel that it was 2.4k, and maybe penang mpower is selling 2.6k now? really confused by the price)
just incase u didn't know, B6 is SOFT'er than stock, and for my case, all four went death in 1year+. actually after fitted B6 >8months, i was told by my mechanics that something wrong to my shock, coz during braking, one side is softer than the another one. *i saw that too*, but... what do to?? just wait until all four went dead loh... :\ *hard earned money, can't just simply change this and change that, it burn my wallet*

i'm now running on cheaper shock, "Monroe" (might be wrong spelling), it's GOOD, i personally feel that it's better than B6 in-term of comfort, it's slightly hash/harder than B6, atleast when i'm cruising fast, i have more confident, and i feel that the shock is doing it work instead of bunching up and down, and it's really a reasonable price to get.

btw, how do u know ur shock death? it's very easy, try it with braking test. during braking, if front goes down and the tail lift, mean... front shocks gone. if one side of the shock gone, ask somebody stand outside and look at ur car when u are doing the brake test, if one side is softer than the another one, mean gone as well. again, it's VERY noticeable when the shocks is gone, coz the bunching rate changed. *try to braking test to confirm*

again, if u really check the catalog of Bilstein B6, the B6 for Fiat Coupe is actually made for Fiat Coupe 16VT, which is lighter than the 20VT. maybe that's the reason why it RIP too soon when fitted on 20vt. *i couldn't believe that too* btw, i'm talking about average of driving ~30-40k-km per year. maybe ur-case, only ~10k-km per year, than... maybe it will last longer??? :\

[kgpa]

Hi guys, my blue coops shocks hev given up the ghost. What is the most suitable replacement ( I need the ride comfort of the Fiat's original shocks ) for the coop? From what I read on the forum you guys feel the Bilstein B6 is the closest. Any idea abt the price for a full set?
Thanks

If you have time and other cars to drive, try to fabricate the shocks.....custom made for less than $2k
They will use back the casing of your old front shocks and fabricate "new" casing for the rear shocks. (you need to give them the old rear shocks for measurement)
All The shocks will be serviceable in future years for just few hundred ringgits.
Your springs will be "tested" first, calibrated and adjusted accordingly.

They will increase the pre-load and do the bump & rebound calibration.
Accordingly, we do not really need a spring upgrade for normal road use.
If you want to "track" the car, then it is sensible to upgrade springs.

The stiffness of the spring and softness of the shocks can be fine-tuned to your liking.
The old "bump stops" will also be replaced if it torn/broken.
Materials used are of very high quality

I am getting mine done in May, after the new Rims and tires arrive.
It is a far better proposition than having to pay $3k for each replacement

[pistole]

fabricate the shocks.....custom made for less than $2k

- who is doing this ?

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[Danz]

yes true, im using std gas filled absorbers on my perdana with adjustable lever......considered custom made. doesnt costs much though...if rm2k, must as well go for fully adjustables.

[Redd]

konis are quite cheap from SG. about RM1700+ for a set of 4. i cant call them soft tho...

redd

[Danz]

yeah, might change to koni's when the time is up....

[drjeeva]

Ok looks like it's the monroe then. Anyone know the correct part number for monroe reflex shocks for the fiat coop 20vt? I gotta get the order correct since I'll hev to get my mechanic here to order a set for me.
Yeah, thought I wuz selling too

[invisibleghost]

koni from sg is ard sgd850, if my memory serves me right. but 1st time have to do some modification. all in shd be ard 2krm

[drjeeva]

BTW wat does japanese specs really mean. I see this on many adverts for different cars. Does this mean that these cars hev an electronic speed limiter to 180km/h ?

[strike961]

titan?
http://www.titanshocks.com/

this guy knows his stuffs. He custom made some for the older conti as well.

[kgpa]

- who is doing this ?

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TOP PERFECT
2770B Kampung Baru Sungai Buloh 47000 Sungai Buloh, Sungai Buloh 47000, Selangor

p: 603-61571370

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[MCCOY BRAVOGT]

Redd can i get koni front set only? how much?

[gtfan]

Ok looks like it's the monroe then. Anyone know the correct part number for monroe reflex shocks for the fiat coop 20vt? I gotta get the order correct since I'll hev to get my mechanic here to order a set for me.
Yeah, thought I wuz selling too

Ask yr mechanic to call glory auto. I think ah hong of ipoh should be able to order for you.

[Danz]

better call directly to glory for better deal...
forgot the guys name already, havent been there quite a while...
its the tauke's son.

[desin]

~ya...try ah-hong... drjeeva, i guess u know him better than me

[Salsero]

I just installed a complete Titan suspension set-up See an earlier post ("Senget sebelah" or something like that):
a. 4 x shocks (front have collar for height adjustment)
b. 2 x front springs
c. 2 x front shock mounts.

Front height is adjustable using the collar around the shocks. Rear height requires some "mickey mousing" with the OEM springs (see below). Camber adjustable at bottom end of shock.

Total cost: RM 3k

What can I say? I am absolutely thrilled!

I wanted to get the B6 (always had good experience with Billies in other cars I've owned including a 993) but they're unobtanium and something like SGD 280 each (excluding transportation from SG to KL) whenever they arrive.

Couldn't wait forever so I thought I'd give the local Titan a try after reading positive reviews from others incl at least one Coupe owner.

Set an appointment with Wey Long (son of founder Richard) and went in on a Sat (otherwise, Kg Pandan location is too much of a pain to get to on a weekday). Got in early and they started working on my car around 11 or so. Fronts were relatively straightforward but the rears required some mods so the car was not done until 5 pm or so.

The deal with Titan is that:
a. You can bring your car back as many times during the first month, until you're happy
b. You can get the shocks refurbished every 2 years or so for RM 100 each

First install wasn't perfect (they rarely are according to the other customers I spoke to)
a. Overall too stiff
b. Rear stiffer than front, causing car to "crash" over bumps
c. Rear too high
d. Front one side higher than the other

Took it back the following Saturday. They reduced the front spring rate but increased the shock stiffness. Reduced overall stiffness. Rear springs were compressed slightly to reduce fender gap.

Ride is now perfect. Soft enough to absorb potholes & holes that fit more than pots. Stiff enough (probably even a tad stiffer than OEM) to grip. Minimal lean in turns but enough so that you have some warning before the tires slip. Minimal squat and dive upon acceleration.

kgpa had the pleasure of being a passenger and he claims that it is better than OEM. I certainly think so.

Pics below. Note that they make the shocks in house (stainless steel is imported) hence why they can adjust everything on the spot.

[pistole]

- as an aside , am pretty satisfied with my Hotbits.

- at their softest settings , its a pretty good ride.

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[gtfan]

I hope titan solved the top mount crack issue.

It could be an old issue but there have been cases on some of the ex-IA rides. Alfa and Fiat too.

[invisibleghost]

so, for coop 20vt, best bet still koni?

[velocty]

Salsero : Would you say your front's are hi-lo adjustables and the rear is similar to standard setup?

[Salsero]

I hope titan solved the top mount crack issue.

It could be an old issue but there have been cases on some of the ex-IA rides. Alfa and Fiat too.

Solved with the new top mounts (see bill-of-materials above).

Would you say your front's are hi-lo adjustables and the rear is similar to standard setup?

Not sure what you mean by hi-lo adjustable, but you can adjust the front ride height by adjusting the collar.

Rear is standard set-up. Non adjustable height shocks with OEM springs retained although Titan managed to lower the ride height without causing the rear to bottom out.

Before and after pics of the rear below. Not sure if the rear is much lower than factory. Maybe a tad?

[strike961]

nice!!

Richard made my rear lower than front. Good for running over road hump but looks a bit weird. Will go back for retuning after Klawang trip

[Danz]

hi-lo short form for high & low adjustables...

[kgpa]

I just installed a complete Titan suspension set-up See an earlier post ("Senget sebelah" or something like that):
a. 4 x shocks (front have collar for height adjustment)
b. 2 x front springs
c. 2 x front shock mounts.

Front height is adjustable using the collar around the shocks. Rear height requires some "mickey mousing" with the OEM springs (see below). Camber adjustable at bottom end of shock.

Total cost: RM 3k

What can I say? I am absolutely thrilled!

I had a ride in his car and the overall balance is spot-on, simply brilliant and definitely much much better than just substituting Bilstein B6 over the "stock" boge. It feels so sharp, firm but yet able to soak up most of the road undulation. It does not bounce all over or judder at all.

This is perhaps due to the stiffer springs, as TITAN recommends a stiffer set-up to compensate for the heavy "front-end" of the coupe (it has 65%;35% weight distribution.

I am definitely trying to replicate this set-up for my coupe with TOP perfect, but by using the stock springs....let see how it goes

regards

[mattng]

I just installed a complete Titan suspension set-up See an earlier post ("Senget sebelah" or something like that):
a. 4 x shocks (front have collar for height adjustment)
b. 2 x front springs
c. 2 x front shock mounts.

Front height is adjustable using the collar around the shocks. Rear height requires some "mickey mousing" with the OEM springs (see below). Camber adjustable at bottom end of shock.

Total cost: RM 3k

What can I say? I am absolutely thrilled!

I had a ride in his car and the overall balance is spot-on, simply brilliant and definitely much much better than just substituting Bilstein B6 over the "stock" boge. It feels so sharp, firm but yet able to soak up most of the road undulation. It does not bounce all over or judder at all.

This is perhaps due to the stiffer springs, as TITAN recommends a stiffer set-up to compensate for the heavy "front-end" of the coupe (it has 65%;35% weight distribution.

I am definitely trying to replicate this set-up for my coupe with TOP perfect, but by using the stock springs....let see how it goes

regards

those guys in merzclub seemed to have very high regards on this Titan thingy...a few of their members are using Titan and are swearing that the ride is extremely good...now i am tempted...

[drjeeva]

hi guys. just installed the monroes that i bought from glory auto. first impressions is good..firm ride but not harsh. thanks for all the advise given

[gtfan]

glad to hear that monroe suits your taste.

[jonboy83]

Hi drjeeva,

Can you give the part number and the price?
You fitted the shocks there?

[drjeeva]

The guys at glory auto seem to know the type of monroe's for the coop 20vt. From the box cover it says Monroe ordinary shock absorber. The part number on the receipt is Monroe front shock part number 16665 and Monroe rear shock part number is 42057. The cost is rm450 each for the front and rm250/- each for the rear.

[drjeeva]

Sorry. I fitted the shocks at Ipoh.

[UlysseNuovo]

Raitag,

I notice you just change your Coupe shocks. How is it?

[raitag]

currently runnin on HotBits Coilover DT1... ride is much better than stock... can adjust ride height and dampening... car handles very well compared to stock and i can now go faster around the corner... Puchong-Kajang highway approx 180km/h...

[UlysseNuovo]

Hmmm...I guess I should sit in your car again to test the shocks.

[DeaDLocK]

Guys, are the standard shocks for the coop supposed to be quite firm?

You know when going over those raised yellow lines on highways (approaching toll booth etc), on normal cars I can just drive over with minimal bumps but in the coop I actually have to slow down as the lines get closer to each other cos it feels like driving over canyons - I would call it quite crashy.

[UlysseNuovo]

I will say that the stock springs are softer and the tyres sidewall plays a part too being hard or soft.

[raitag]

sure no prob... next week TT...

[ahhl]

- who is doing this ?

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TOP PERFECT

2770B Kampung Baru Sungai Buloh 47000 Sungai Buloh, Sungai Buloh 47000, Selangor



p: 603-61571370



Website - None Supplied

Email - None Supplied

this is interesting, i must try on next absorber replacement. whats the price like?

[gtfan]

Guys, are the standard shocks for the coop supposed to be quite firm?

You know when going over those raised yellow lines on highways (approaching toll booth etc), on normal cars I can just drive over with minimal bumps but in the coop I actually have to slow down as the lines get closer to each other cos it feels like driving over canyons - I would call it quite crashy.

Stock is already crashy over those yellow stripes. Fit koni and eibach, the coupe will feel like the dasboard going to drop off.

Now I am on b6 shocks with standard springs, it's more liveable as compared to my previous setup. Still crashy but much much better than previous.

[raitag]

if u want a set of used B6 with stock spring, there's a set at Emech... mine... make me an offer la... take all...

[joe_yong]

Guys, are the standard shocks for the coop supposed to be quite firm?

You know when going over those raised yellow lines on highways (approaching toll booth etc), on normal cars I can just drive over with minimal bumps but in the coop I actually have to slow down as the lines get closer to each other cos it feels like driving over canyons - I would call it quite crashy.

Stock is already crashy over those yellow stripes. Fit koni and eibach, the coupe will feel like the dasboard going to drop off.
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thanks gtfan, finally now i know i'm not the only coupe that experiences this i alwys something is weird with my shocks...

[kgpa]

TOP PERFECT

2770B Kampung Baru Sungai Buloh 47000 Sungai Buloh, Sungai Buloh 47000, Selangor

p: 603-61571370

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this is interesting, i must try on next absorber replacement. whats the price like?[/quote]

price is approximately $1,400 , ask JoeYong....he did it last year
But you must check properly if your shocks are "REALLY STANDARD".....
because Joe also thought that his shocks were standard, but then they turn out to be from some other fiat model....hence they can't be used properly
why don't you check with ALBERT of USJ , or emech
You can also re-use bilstein B6, if you can get your hands on a set of used and depleted B6

Then you fix them and replace all worn-out mountings, bump-stops and spring-covers (the rubber stuff)
Keep the standard & stock springs with the "re-worked" shocks.......

[ahhl]

emm....rm 1.4k look like same price as my stock absorber. unless it is serviceable (like titan?) after 4 years at cheaper rate. otherwise its not worth it.....as i get new shock every replacement at the same price.

[kgpa]

refurbishment after the initial cost is $100 per shock...total $400....reasonable in the long run

[jonboy83]

my shocks are gone...the B6 lasted me exactly 2 years.
now sourcing for alternative and was looking for Konis but quoted 2.7k per set!
is this the price? i always thought Konis are below 2k for the coupe.

will use monroe to save some dough as i need to change my clutch as well.
sad sad....

[farmer]

All the coupe SIFUs here, what is the best setup in your opinion for the coupe that's used for daily drive? Anything I can do to reduce or remove the car sagging on the driver's side? I've changed both springs and shocks and still the driver's side is much lower than the pass side.
Would reducing my weight by 10kgs help?

[raitag]

Below 2k konis are from SG...

no la farmer... that's not the issue... my car doesn't sag one side...

[kgpa]

my shocks are gone...the B6 lasted me exactly 2 years.
now sourcing for alternative and was looking for Konis but quoted 2.7k per set!
is this the price? i always thought Konis are below 2k for the coupe.

will use monroe to save some dough as i need to change my clutch as well.
sad sad....

Hi Jonboy....can I have your depleted and worn - off Bilstein Shocks, please
I can collect...thanks