Project 300.

[gtfan]

first photo shows 2 guys at the passanger side... one tonggeng lagi... what the heck are u two doing ehh?

Err we are molesting harrish slut.....

his ecu box got ravaged kow kow.....everything so tight

But thanks to harrish for buying us supper. hahaha i think cheaper than paying mechanic to do chip swap.

[UlysseNuovo]

After molesting Harrisbh Coupe, he bought a Gem la, even the carpet was untouched, no one remove her bra before

[invisibleghost]

kanasai...sitting alone here at craven....

poor guy

[UlysseNuovo]

Now, what else? I should be looking into upgrading my fuel injectors.

Oh, time to add a bit more weight to her, Sound Proofing. Maybe, just maybe, that will give mio Bella that ear ringing cabin feel.

[Redd]

fuel injectors would mean aftermarket ECU. sure u wanna go there?

redd

[desin]

fuel injectors would mean aftermarket ECU. sure u wanna go there?

Not necessary already, fc performance able to do it via live map.

[UlysseNuovo]

Or just follow Tauke and go standard.

[kgpa]

mr President.......how about QUAIFE differential, since you are pushing for power
.reduces torque steer.....cheap cheap , group buy going on in FCCUK now
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[UlysseNuovo]

mr President.......how about QUAIFE differential, since you are pushing for power
.reduces torque steer.....cheap cheap , group buy going on in FCCUK now
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If it is not broken, do not fix it.

[raitag]

it's an upgrade la... if u have more than 250hp, u should consider it...

[Redd]

honestly, UN, u could prolly get same or slightly more power with a 2860, with less lag and less fueling issues.

redd

[desin]

~the question and answer to how much horsepower/torque do we need for daily driving...
~to me, 110km/h (MOST of the time), in hurry situation maybe 160-180km/h (very rare). show-off maybe 240km/h (unlikely).
~draw back... aiyoh... why do i always need to down-shift gears just to overtake a car!!! especially in normal-road. eg. an old uncle driving 50km/h, I also need to down-shift to 2nd gear to overtake him!!! simply I can't do it in 3rd (which is VERY slow to pick-up!!!!).
~going to welcome stock SMIC soon... very soon!

[gtfan]

~the question and answer to how much horsepower/torque do we need for daily driving...
~to me, 110km/h (MOST of the time), in hurry situation maybe 160-180km/h (very rare). show-off maybe 240km/h (unlikely).
~draw back... aiyoh... why do i always need to down-shift gears just to overtake a car!!! especially in normal-road. eg. an old uncle driving 50km/h, I also need to down-shift to 2nd gear to overtake him!!! simply I can't do it in 3rd (which is VERY slow to pick-up!!!!).
~going to welcome stock SMIC soon... very soon!

Oi ah pek, time for you to buy DSG or auto already. Changing gear also so lazy.....

Don't forget you are using bigger turbo, smaller turbo had less spool time. You see, there's always compromise between small and bigger turbo. you just can't have the best of both world unless you got a freaking V8 or V10 or viper engine in your hood. yes, the standard turbo is nice for daily driving but comes to spirit run, it will be a rerun of penang 2005 or is it 2006 when i tapow you kow kow

[gtfan]

fuel injectors would mean aftermarket ECU. sure u wanna go there?

Not necessary already, fc performance able to do it via live map.

Yes, live map does it without any issues with upgraded injectors.....The best. Forget about those charkuay aftermarket ecu unless you want your car to become like the "ngap see" (slime green) coupe in worldtech.....

[Redd]

or UN u can go the old school method and put an extra injector pre-tb and use a separate injector controller.

redd

[stevo]

Now, what else? I should be looking into upgrading my fuel injectors.

Oh, time to add a bit more weight to her, Sound Proofing. Maybe, just maybe, that will give mio Bella that ear ringing cabin feel.

Forget the coupe and spend on your 159 lor... more rewarding experience.. hahahhaa

[ognam]

Now, what else? I should be looking into upgrading my fuel injectors.

Oh, time to add a bit more weight to her, Sound Proofing. Maybe, just maybe, that will give mio Bella that ear ringing cabin feel.

Forget the coupe and spend on your 159 lor... more rewarding experience.. hahahhaa

159 uses selespeed. Old technology. Only morons spend on 159. Hahaha.

[desin]

~got this from fccuk...
~FMIC? think twice...!
~I've calculated my 90'bend, i got total of 7's 90'bend until it reaches the plastic BIG trumpet!!!! hahahah!!! what a JOKE!!!!

~why 7's? from after turbo-compressor, remember the '?' shape silicon hose, I need a 'U' (which is two 90') to let it pass through radiator. after the radiator, and before it go into intercooler inlet, it need another 'U' (which is two 90'). after intercooler, outlet required a 90' to let the pipe goes up, then need another 90' to make the pipe flat back, then... and another two 45' from the plate to big plastic trumpet.
~that's really a joke and the joker (me) been living with it for 4-years+! hahahahaha!!!!

[gtfan]

Now, what else? I should be looking into upgrading my fuel injectors.

Oh, time to add a bit more weight to her, Sound Proofing. Maybe, just maybe, that will give mio Bella that ear ringing cabin feel.

Forget the coupe and spend on your 159 lor... more rewarding experience.. hahahhaa

159 uses selespeed. Old technology. Only morons spend on 159. Hahaha.

[UlysseNuovo]

Sound dampening done a few months back and the cabin is much quieter. That being said, our Coupe sound dampening was good, just that now is better.

Few days ago, finally fitted the Tar.ox F2000 brake disc and my oh my, loving the stopping power.

[kvinlim]

drooling!
my dream power! next time when i'm ready for coupe then i call you!

[Kelv27]

Nicee..look forward to seeing it one day UN

[stevo]

Few days ago, finally fitted the Tar.ox F2000 brake disc and my oh my, loving the stopping power.

You drive so slow... so much stopping power for what

[raitag]

But Desin, in this hot weather, is the stock intercooler sufficient to cool the air going into the engine? Flea recommended his FMIC which has been designed to minimize lag...

[Kelv27]

I think the FMIC is necessary if you are running more than standard boost. 1.2 bar and above..

[Loki]

I second what Kelv said.

Any turbo car thats pushing more than 1.2 bar boost requires a front mounted intercooler, especially in our sub-tropical heat. There might be a drop in pressure (lag) due to the size of the FMIC but you should do a study of what intercooler core size you really need for your power goals (maybe Flea designed his FMIC with this rule in mind?).

Furthermore, if you're going to do track work, then an oil cooler should also be installed. The only concerns with an oil cooler is mounting, available space in a car's engine bay and how best to loop the braided steel hoses around the engine block. Some makes and models are fortunate in that, aftermarket automotive companies produce oil coolers that come with mounting and relocator kits.

Lastly, when you upgrade your turbo from the stock unit, you need to boost it till at least 1.3 - 1.4 bar to get any serious gains (kudos UN). This, of course, entirely depends on your engine internals being strong enough to run at that level (differs from car to car i.e. 2JZ vs RB26DETT). From what I've read, stock 20VT internals can tolerate 1.4 bar but don't take my word for it.

If you are chasing power, its best to upgrade to forged pistons, forged conrods, forged crank etc. Good mapping is also crucial. At best, when pushing 300bhp, one should look at installing forged pistons. Thats my personal opinion.

Cheerio.

[Redd]

You can safely do 300 on stock i/c. I did, and Vio ran well over 300 on stock i/c. Yes a larger fmic will result in lower intake temps but the actual gain in hp may be negligible, with more lag and added risk of reducing airflow over the radiator. Bear in mind that the coop's frontal openings are already quite small to reduce drag.

I also ran 1.6 bar on overboost with the GT2560 with no probs. But boost is not the ultimate measurement. 1.6 bar with a 2560 is very different from 1.6 bar with a 2860.

Then theoretical limit of the stock 20VT internals is 350hp, but i suspect u will run into fueling issues at around 320 with the stock injectors.

Redd

[Loki]

The stock injectors are rated for only up till 320hp?

I've limited experience with Fiat engines but for my Nissan R33 GT-R, since my goal was to hit 500hp, I've installed 700cc side feed fuel injectors. I imagine the same rule would apply to any engine, to ensure that the block is getting enough juice!

[Kelv27]

A larger FMIC will result in lower intake temperatures and the actual gain can be very different! I wouldn’t say that a fmic is laggier..but just that the power delivery will be different. It is more progressive. That is why it is usually paired with a bigger turbo or one that is running higher boost pressure.

1.6 bar can be very different from one turbo to the other in terms of the amount of power it can generate..but 1.6 bar is still 1.6 bar. I.e a big turbo is capable of generating the same amount of power as a small one at less amount of boost pressure.

The usage of the FMIC correlates to the amount of boost you will be running. High boost = More cooling required. This is not so much to achieve better charge temperatures for more power, but more so that the engine doesn’t get damaged from the excess heat that high boost application generates.

So conclusion is:
If your turbo can produce 300bhp with less than 1.2 bar of boost pressure, then yes, standard intercooler will be safe enough to use. Thing is.. very few can.

[raitag]

the more u compress air, the more heat is generated... so u'll need to remove the additional heat by putting in larger I/C... assuming the turbo size is the same...

bigger turbo produces more air flow, so the stock I/C may be restrictive causing higher pressure drop across the I/C... so, what comes out from the turbo, say 1.5bar, only probably 1.2bar will reach the engine...

so, if u have bigger turbo running on higher boost pressure, u'll definitely need an I/C that can cater for the high flow and high temperature...

i have my boost controller taking pressure off the manifold, not the turbo for me to get the actual pressure going into the engine, instead of what is being produced at the turbo unit...

till next year...

[pistole]

- is there a diff in pressure readings ex-turbo versus at-manifold ?

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[raitag]

yes... from turbo the air still got to go thru the pipings and I/C... if u set 1.2bar at the turbo casing, most probably u'll see less that that at the manifold...

[Kelv27]

But isn't readings for the boost controller usually taken from the manifold anyway?

[raitag]

for stock, it's taken from the turbo casing...

[Kelv27]

Nolar Raitag.. For stock it's also taken from manifold. The stock EBV has 3 pipes. 1 to turbo housing and 1 to actuator for boost control, and another one that plugs to the top of the EBV that takes readings from intake.

[raitag]

wait... 3 lines... 1 to wastegate, 1 to the pipe at turbo intake, ooo yeah.... 1 from the manifold.... but i can't remember where...

my mistake... hehehe...

[desin]

~density = mass / volume
~same mass + hot-air = air higher density
~same mass + cold-air = air lesser density
~question is we need to squeeze MORE volume of air into the cylinder...
~so answer is.... *[u need to figure]

A larger FMIC will result in lower intake temperatures and the actual gain can be very different! I wouldn’t say that a fmic is laggier..but just that the power delivery will be different. It is more progressive. That is why it is usually paired with a bigger turbo or one that is running higher boost pressure.

~well... I've already got my FMIC removed, and I'm so happy with original SMIC pair with GT2860RS.

~following was my mod, and hope u guy won't make some mistake...
1) original to gtec1 + PRV, VERY happy.
2) gtec1 + PRV to gtec1-hf + PRV, more happy. dynoed 220whp
3) gtec1-hf + gt2860rs + PRV, happy, torque-steer like shit, but lag. <fuel-pump upgraded, cat removed>
4) gtec2 + gt2860rs + PRV + FMIC, regretted, no more torque-steer, lag like shit.
5) gtec2 + gt2860rs + AVR + FMIC, happy, coz can control boost pressure from dashboard. <3" downpipe upgraded> <=== manifold cracked, welded, TURBO LAG!!!!!
6) gtec2 + gt2860rs + AVR + FMIC + Water Injection (50% mentanol), happy, when water spray in, engine so smooth, power is GOOD. dynoed 250whp <=== manifold cracked and welded again, TURBO LAG!!!!
7) flea-live-map + gt2860rs + AVR + FMIC + WI + 3.8bar FPR, more happy, can feel more power, and dynoed 270whp. <=== manifold cracked and welded again, TURBO LAG!!!
8) flea-live-map + gt2860rs + AVR + Original SMIC + 3.8bar FPR, less lag, NO REGRET! become more fun to drive! YES!!!!!
9) flea-live-map + gt2860rs + PRV + 3.8bar FPR, WOW!!!!! torque-steer is BACK, and it's WILD like a beast!!! NO REGRET!!!!

~so... the perfect pair still for u to figure, my advise, cheap PRV work GREAT!

[Kelv27]

Desin, cold air is more dense than hot air la.

I can understand that the smic will definitely allow the turbo to spool up quicker than fmic.. Hence the torque steer you are experiencing. Your powerband will be at the bottom of your graph... But the smic will eventually be a restriction at the top.

Fmic + GT2860rs... You achieved 270whp
Smic + GT2860rs .... You achieved ??

[Redd]

Gt2560 + lowtec chip + stock smic + stock fpr + cheap mbc + filter + custom 2.5" turbo back exhaust = 260 whp.

Redd

[Kelv27]

Good figures Eric. Would be nice to see a direct comparison with the FMIC with the same mods.

[raitag]

GT2560 + Flea chip + stock smic + stock FPR + boostvalve MBC (1.25bar) + stock filter + 2.5" downpipe = 254whp

[ognam]

So 2.5" vs 3" downpipe is 6hp. Heh.

[raitag]

torque is 328Nm (mine) vs 325.18Nm (blue slut).

blue slut got bigger fuel pump and running on higher boost la... plus the air filter...

[Redd]

yah i had a walbro 255lph also...

redd

[enzy]

Can the stock / Valio clutch cope the 300 HP?

If the I.C piping travel too long will it result high fuel consumption?

[Kelv27]

It depends how much torque you are running. Clutches are rated by torque..not horsepower.

I don't think the length of the intercooler piping affects the fueling as the amount of air is measured at the MAF.

[enzy]

Any idea Valio clutch kit is made for 16vt or 20vt? Can it cope up to 340Nm?

[Kelv27]

Can. Valeo clutch rated up to 370nm. How long it will last under sustained high torque is subjective though. For some reason mine didn't last very long

[raitag]

yours must have more than 370Nm then...

[Kelv27]

Well at that time, my torque was just below 370nm I think. I've since replaced it with a 6-paddle clutch that grips like a beast.. But not so nice to drive in traffic